Greg was interviewed in CJ Evolution Podcast, a show that put a twist on traditional criminal justice professions and provides tools to set yourself up for success in your career and for the future.
In this episode Greg shares his story how he owned his mistake after he defrauded a lot of people out of a lot of money, deceiving Peter to pay Paul, got arrested, did some time incarcerated, and now doing the right thing. Taking full responsibility for his actions.
“Greg, man, you’re in the minority man. I really appreciate you coming on the show. And I what I mean by in the minorities, you’re one of those rare individuals out there, who actually has taken responsibility for some of the actions that you’ve done throughout your life and again, that’s an admirable trait man, because me being a cop for a long time, you hardly ever see that.”
–Patrick Fitzgibbons, Host of CJ Evolution
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02:10 – Greg’s background, going stray because of his bad choices despite growing in a very supportive family
5:60 – his family’s reaction when they heard that he was arrested and was facing theft charges.
08:20 – Time for reflection, how his time in prison affected him as a person
09:07 – Choosing motivation over blame
10:24 – The support he got from family and friends: the regular visit from his daughters and friends, books they bought for him to read
13:25 – From making millions of money to suddenly losing freedom
14:00 – Greg’s biggest takeaway from his experience
15:45 – His struggle integrating back into the community as a former felon
17:15 – What he did after he went out of the facility, how we make ways to pay his restitution
18:43 – The power of owning his mistakes, things he did to keep going-speaking for Prisoner’s Against Crimes, Defy Ventures and other speaking engagements
23:35 – How his relationship with his friends got affected by him being in prison, losing the majority of his friends after
26:00 – Meditation, journaling, reading, exercises- developing a powerful routine helped him go forward
29:09 – If he could go back and change anything, what will it be? After the 2008 market, he should have fired all his employees and filed bankruptcy a day after instead of fighting to come back up
30:30 – Connect with Greg Paul
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(Note, this was transcribed using a transcription software and may not reflect the exact words used in the podcast)
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Patrick: You know folks, I remember that many years. I was on patrol. Every once in a while I would make an arrest in that person I was arresting. That individual would actually take responsibility for his or her actions. They would actually say, you know what? I’m in the predicament in because of my actions. I take full responsibility, and I was like, wow. But unfortunately, as we all know, that doesn’t happen. It’s not the norm. Many times people are blaming everybody but themselves, but the problems they are now enduring my next guest got in trouble in my own backyard in Boulder, Colorado, not too far from where I’m at. Not so long ago. He defrauded a lot of people out of a lot of money. He got arrested, did some time incarcerated, and now he’s doing the right thing because he took responsibility for his actions. He’s still paying for his crimes, but he’s on the right path and so much of it is saying, you know what? I screwed up. I take responsibility. He’s an author, he’s a podcaster. I hope you enjoy this show.
Patrick: Hello everybody. Welcome back. I’m very excited to have Greg Kotsaftis on the show. He’s an expert truth speaker. He’s a former prisoner and he’s a successful author. Greg, are you there, sir? I am. Well, thank you for, for being on the show. You have an amazing story. Uh, and I, I don’t know if I gave you do justice with that intro. Greg, do you want to fill in the gaps?
Greg Paul: Sure, sure. Well, first of all, thank you for having me on of, yeah, you know, as, as you know, um, I was, I owned and operated a business down in Boulder, Colorado for 14 years and uh, after the economic downturn of 2008, I couldn’t let go. I held on, I kept trying to sustain myself, but unfortunately I broke into habits of lying and deceiving people and eventually we fell way behind robbing Peter to pay Paul and my, my business was failing and rather than fall bankruptcy, I kept thinking it was somehow going to fix itself or I could fix it because it was my baby. I started it with 10 grand and in 2006 I broke 10 million in sales. So I was doing pretty well. I grew up, I was living in Boulder in the community and um, got a family there and everything else and I was just really, really pushing, pushing hard. But unfortunately, I lost sight of how my actions affected people. Specifically, my customers who, who trusted me. And um, you know, I’ve betrayed their trust, which is something at the time I didn’t see ’em, but obviously it caught up to me and I eventually got charged and sentenced to six years in the Department of Corrections and 20 years’ probation until I pay the money back, which is what I’m doing at this present time.
Patrick: Well, props to you, great. Because it takes a lot of courage. I know you’ve been on other talk shows and you’re, you’re really successful now, but it takes a special kind of person to, to, you know, get out there in front of people and say, look, I messed up, so I’m going to give you prompts for that. And, and you know, I think the stereotype out there with, with a lot of people is, you know, okay, this Guy Greg, he must have grown up in a, in a crappy family, but you actually grew up in a, in a middle-class suburban community by a loving family, right?
Greg Paul: Yes. Uh, in Massachusetts, that’s where I’m from. And a no, absolutely right. You know, no one has a criminal history in my family except for me. Um, if you were to ask anybody, you know, 15 years ago if it was going to be me, everybody would be like, yeah, right. It’s not going to happen, but no, I mean my parents are both hardworking, loving, caring people that still married, they’ve been married over 50 years. Um, I had a few slight, slight negative influences from family outside family members, but I have, you know, my brother and my sister are great people, you know, uh, my sisters and elected official in our hometown. And it’s, um, yeah, it’s really, yeah. I’m not your stereotypical a felon I think, I guess in that, in that sense, from the path you should say
Patrick: Now a dumb question, but. So what, what did your family do, um, when, when they heard this news that you were, you know, you’re getting that you were arrested and you were facing all these charges. What was their reaction?
Greg Paul: Well, you know, uh, my mother, my mother’s very devout Catholic, strong religious woman, you know, she was immediately in my face trying to figure out to get the best attorney to help me, um, you know, to help me figure it out. But uh, uh, father father kind of went into denial mode. He wrote the people really didn’t know what to do with it, you know, because it’s not something you experienced and they, you know, honestly, I think they felt that, yeah, he made a mistake, but you know, he’s not going to go to jail. That’s not going to happen. Right. Um, am I, my sister, my sister kind of cut me off completely because she was, there was a lot of backlashes because she still lives in the town where we grew up
Patrick: And she’s the public official, right Greg?
Greg Paul: Well, she is now. She wasn’t at that time, but she’s always been very actively involved in the town I grew up in. Understand this is a kind of community where everybody. I went to high school, not everybody, but I’ll, I’ll give a solid 60 to 70 percent, still live in that community. They all had children and the cycle kind of continues and my sister is part of that whole loop. So when I committed these crimes and get blown up all over the Internet, she was, she, her, my shame was reflected upon her. So she kind of withdrew from me for a while. Uh, my brother, same type of situation, but he was a little bit more involved to help. So yeah, that, that’s kind of it, you know, my, my family as much as they were loving and caring and good, honest people that the main saying and this is in my book, is that a, don’t worry, you’ll figure it out anytime I had a problem, it was like, you’re not here some advice or maybe she did this or we need to find you. Someone help you. He’s like, oh, don’t worry. We’ll figure it out, you know? And that’s the way I was kind of raised.
Patrick: So I know you did two years in Colorado, DOC.
Greg Paul: I did. Well, I did 14 months, at Camp George West, which I don’t know if you’re familiar with it, completely minimum facility. I was out in the community putting furniture together, um, at different, various state offices all over Denver, so I’m not going to say it was an easy, but it was by no means the big ugly prison. Yeah.
Patrick: But you still had your freedom restricted and you know, obviously, you know, you couldn’t do what you wanted. Right. It was still tough, but it was, it could have been worse, let’s put it that way, especially after the stories I’ve heard from other inmates when I was in there. So again, another dumb question, Greg. I apologize. I mean, how, how did time in prison, um, affect you? It affects everybody obviously, but how did it affect you as a person? Obviously had time to reflect, you know,
Greg Paul: it’s interesting for me and people saw a lot of people don’t get it, but the minute I hit ’em over county jail. Okay. The first night I’m looking around and I’m like, okay, you know, I never got sad. I never got depressed, I got pissed and I’m like, you know, okay, your three daughters, because I have three kids are, are out there now. Their lives are destroyed, you know, you’ve destroyed the lives of many, many people and you know, what are you going to do about it? You’re going to sit here and wallow in pity or are you just going to get, you’re going to get motivated. So I started writing letters. I wrote letters to everybody that I was all my family members immediately when I was at Boulder County for a couple weeks. And then I proceeded to go to the Department of Corrections processing center down in Denver and they do a lot of testing there to take, you know, they test your Iq and all these various things in.
Greg Paul: And I made it a point to really excel and to try to do the best I possibly could. Um, because I felt that, you know, I can’t just sit back and, because most guys just don’t even care. Right. You take your Iq test and the guys just don’t even fill the paper out because they felt like, what the Hell’s the point? But I didn’t realize it at the time, but that helped lower my risk score and my risk score coming out of doc was the lowest it could possibly be. Hence the reason I ended up at Camp George West and not someplace way down in the southern slope or I never would have seen my kids. Right. I mean it was a blessing that I ended up there. So I really took the opportunity immediately to get focused and try to, um, do everything right there. Everything is as organized as possible.
Greg Paul: And um, and I got to Camp George West. I was very fortunate to have a, my, even though she’s my ex-wife, she brought my children to see me often. A, I had a very good friend that came to see me almost every weekend. And uh, I have a very good friend that I work for now that the first phone call with him, he’s like, okay, I’m on Amazon. How many books do you want? And send me like 15 books to read. I read like 100 or 100 books within a year. So I really started to get educated and learn and reflect upon what might, you know, the judgment she sentenced me, said to me, you know, your ego and I never even, you know, I knew what Eagle was, right? But I never really thought about it. She’s like, your ego drove you to do these things and those words kind of ate at me. So I kind of really analyze, okay, do you have some crazy ego? Are you a, you know, a sociopath, what’s your problem? You know? And then I just Kinda dug in and looked at the ugly. But um, I had a very strict routine every day that I was there. Everything was the same. And uh, I stuck to that routine. Vigilant, vigilantly. That’s how I got through it.
Patrick: Well, it sounds like you mean you. Yeah, you, you screwed up, you made mistakes, Greg, you paid for them, but you had given the fact that your ex-wife is bringing your kids there. It says a lot to me and the fact that people were still connected to you and they were sending you, you know, like you, you mentioned your friend sending you books. I mean, that’s huge. A lot of people don’t have that. Um, so you had a good foundation, you just kind of went astray, like you’ve said, and you kind of made some bad choices, but a lot of people don’t have that.
Greg Paul: No. I mean, I’ll say 90 percent of the inmates I that in there don’t have that. Yeah. I mean, you know, the food there obviously is horrible and it just, I’m a very healthy person. There was no of anything with protein in it. And they had these, these salmon packets that I used to make a cold salmon that I just eat out of the bag. So I call my same buddy with the books and he’s like, okay, how much salmon do you need? He knows, I mean, well you knew you’re a healthy guy. So he’s looking a motor with a mega freeze. I mean, it’s stuff that’s important. It’s the little things though that, that people don’t get right. And that’s why I think the recidivism rate is so high and why these guys fail. I mean, I met many guys that just didn’t leave because they could have left
Patrick: know, you know, that I mean there. That’s, that they’re probably better off there. Yeah. I hate to say it. And then being off, you know, out of, out of prison.
Greg Paul: Well they don’t have any place to go. No, no, they definitely don’t have the, you know, every, every day. You know what they had mail call at night. Right. And they would call me down like after mail call because I had a box of books and then I will be carrying the books back and see me with the books and the coke and I have a book and I’d be like, you can’t because that’s considered bartering. So that’s against the rules. But you know, just, just seeing all the support I had and you know, and those guys that literally would sit by the waiting and the visiting area because it was outside and they would never have guessed, but they would just sit there and watch people come and go. Um, because they had no connection, you know, with, with any kinds of support. So it was, it was, it’s definitely tough for a lot of people for sure. So you went from making millions of dollars to losing your freedom. Now what did you learn
Patrick: from that experience of one day you’re out there, you’re making a ton of money. Not that everything’s about money, but you’re, you know, you have your freedom
Greg Paul: to losing your freedom and being told where to go, what to do, what to wear 24 hours a day. You know, it’s funny. Um, well what I’ve learned is I’ll never go back. I have no desire. No, I stepped out of prison. We, my wife, was amicable, but she sold every flipping thing. We had my, my big beautiful house in Boulder, which she sold as well. Um, I had two black Duffel bags and a bike. That’s it. Those are all my possessions. And I looked at this and I’m like, you know what? Okay. And I, to this day may have a few more things, but otherwise, I have no, no desire because I, you know, that doesn’t, doesn’t drive me, it doesn’t make me happy. Um, so what I learned was obviously the money isn’t everything. I also learned that being a slave to money, meaning if you’re making that kind of money and you’re leading that kind of life, guess what? You got to feed the beast every day. And I fed the beast by being a thief. I fed the beast by not being honest. So I just don’t want the beast in the room anymore. And I don’t know if you’ve ever for
Patrick: this, and maybe it’s just ridiculous to say, but it just makes me think of men or have you ever seen the wolf of Wall Street Jordan Balfour? I mean, where he made millions of dollars in greed. Just got the best of them.
Greg Paul: Paul. I follow him a little bit online. It amazes me though that what you got tenure. He got 10 years, 40, 40 some odd, $43 million. I can’t remember what the number was, but know he’s out there doing his thing now. I don’t know what that is. I don’t know if he’s paying people back or not, but.
Patrick: Well, I think he is and I think he’s doing, he’s doing consulting and he’s out there telling people and I haven’t, I haven’t found it in a while, but the last I checked in to see what he was doing, he was out there consulting and he was kind of advising people and he was Kinda, you know, doing what you’re doing a little bit saying, you know, hey, I screwed up and I’m trying to make amends. But, you know, talking to people about it. Right. How did you, you mentioned, I mean, nobody wants to the label of a felon. I mean, how did, how did you learn to cope with the stress of being a felon? Because you just gotta you gotta put that on and everything. Great. You know, that, I mean, how did you cope with that? Because a lot of people couldn’t and they don’t,
Greg Paul: you know, uh, it sucks. I’m engaged now. I’m a woman. I’m engaged to a, I told her on the second date and trust me there were plenty of women before that. That was my role, right? My role was okay, the first day, getting to know each other. The second date, if I’m going to see you again, I tell them right. And a lot of them are like, I’m sorry, but this isn’t gonna work out or, you know, whatever the reason has she accepted me right away. Um, that it’s okay. I still like, you know, we continued to date and things worked out. But the only way to get past that fell antagonistic. This is just to own it. I mean, you got to own it and you’ve got to be prepared to take the heat and you got to be prepared for the fact that some people are not going to want to talk to you at all.
Greg Paul: Um, which is okay. Um, but it sucks. I understand why they have it, you know, they want to protect the public. But at the same time, I do think it’s a little excessive, especially with, uh, with Google nowadays and the way you’re portrayed by the media, which is a still a battle. But for me personally, I’m over that now. It’s been six or seven years, but we’re getting into. I will say this, getting a job was an absolute nightmare. Yeah. Forty, 40, 50 interviews right after I got out, I went to the halfway house. I went to a friend of mine who got my stuff and I said, listen, I want to go to real estate school and because I want needed to make as much money as possible to pay everybody back. I went through real estate school. I passed the test on the first go round. I got hired by Keller Keller Williams downtown. Everybody knows my story. Nobody’s blinking and I get in front of the real estate commission and they’re like, well, you’re a felon. We can’t give you your license even though they’ve given it to other people. And the reasoning was, is because you owe too much money.
Patrick: Isn’t that the whole purpose, like you said, to get into real estate to pay back restitution?
Greg Paul: I actually appealed it and spoken in front of the and I said, you know, there’s a guy here like owning what he did and I don’t touch money in real estate transaction. You don’t touch money? No, it’s all handled by the title company. I said, I can’t think of a more, a better situation. Of course, they said no, and then once I told them a probation officer, Boulder County and she flipped out, she’s like, what the hell are you thinking? You can’t do that? And I’m like, what am I supposed to do? Like just kick back and make 30, 40 grand a year for the next 20 years and no one ever gets paid. I just don’t get it. Because you’re ordered to pay restitution and yeah, I mean I, I think it’s admirable. Greg, I don’t know you hear this, but you know a lot of people and you, you’ve run across him in when you were incarcerated that don’t take responsibility for anything.
Greg Paul: Now I’m not saying I’m not condoning what you did. I mean, it was a bad thing you admitted to it, but admitting to it and, and owning up to things, is that the majority of it, right? I mean, you, I mean, a lot of people say, screw it, I didn’t do anything wrong, you know, the, you know, it was framed or whatever. I mean, you’re owning. It’s funny because I’ve had, this isn’t funny, but I’ve had five different probation officers in four years, so five new people to meet, five new people to go through and a couple of them have told me various stories of similar criminals to myself that I stole a million dollars or whatever and I never once blanket, you know, hey, I made a mistake. I’m just out here doing the best I can and try to pay everybody back. And I, you know, I pay a very substantial amount every month.
Greg Paul: I, I work hard at it and they’ve all said the same thing that you just said that you wouldn’t believe how many people come in my office and they look at me like they were like, oh, I want to travel from it to go see my daughter’s wedding, and I’ll look at them and say, well, you haven’t paid your, you’ve been late on your restitution payment. Well, it’s not my fault. I shouldn’t have to pay that anyway. You know what I mean? I don’t know how. I don’t how people could ever have that mindset because. Well, how does it keep you going, man? Because that’s what I want to know. And again, you’re owning up to it. You screwed up. You’re trying to pay back your debt. How does it keep you going when you keep getting slammed? Oh, I have faith. I don’t, I don’t.
Greg Paul: I’m very competitive and I don’t. None of it matters to me. Like I honestly know that I truly know. I don’t think I know that if I keep on my path, you know, doing stuff like this, talking on a podcast or writing a book, which, you know, every dime of my book goes towards my victims. I’m just trying to do the right thing every day and teach others to teach my children that I’m, you know, a changed man and then I want the second half of my life to being something. That’s what, that’s what matters. I mean people can call me names and do whatever, you know, different probation officers can throw down new rules. It doesn’t matter anymore because I just keep doing what I’m doing. Eventually, something’s going to break. That’s how I feel. Well, and it’s so, you know, I mean I, again, I, it’s amazing to me that you can, you know, have this in so much of, of, you know, getting through things. Greg, you know, is about mindset. You just have that right mindset. I mean, you can’t give up and perseverance and persevere
Patrick: will, will win in the end. And it just amazes me how you can’t. I mean, I’m sure you have your bad days too, where you’re like, screw this shit, I’m not going to do it anymore, and then you’re. Then you’re like, no, I can. I got a family. I gotta I gotta keep going and it just amazes me how you were like, screw it, like the majority of people out there and just become better and cynical.
Greg Paul: No, I mean I started speaking at Camp George West. They had a group called the prisoner’s against crime team, which I applied for and got accepted and eventually ended up running it where we went out and spoke to troubled youth and in Denver, we went and spoke to you. I’m very active in doing that. I’ve been accepted by A. I was accepted by defy ventures to go speak in prisons here in Colorado, but unfortunately, the wardens won’t let me go because I’m still on paper. Then I got accepted to speak in California at a current Valley State Prison and Colorado California Correctional Institute, which I’m hoping to do in March. So I, you know, my story is just, you know, you’re going to look at me like, why the hell are you here? You know, I’m not your typical guy, but this, you gotta you just got to own it. You’ve got to keep giving back and it doesn’t. I don’t know why. It hasn’t really bothered me. I mean, you know, it’s been hard, but you know, I’m out here, you know, I get to eat real food every day. I get to go to the gym and workout
Patrick: how you were brought up and who you surrounded yourself with, you know, for, for most of your life, you had some strong influences in your life. Um, I mean, I dunno, maybe, maybe I’m wrong.
Greg Paul: I didn’t have any, I didn’t have a lot of strong, strong male figures in my life. I, I, my dad was a nice person but he wasn’t this authoritarian like, what the fuck are you doing person Mike, you know, he wasn’t like, this is, you’re an idiot or I can’t believe you did this. There’s never any of that kind of talk. Um, I wish I had that because I honestly know I probably never would have gotten in trouble. Um, I really surround myself now with A. I’ve got four or five really good friends that are all stuck with me through this whole mess and man to say that they’re like easy on me is not even close. If they think for intake for a second, I’m doing something that may or may not be honest. They have no problem calling me on it.
Patrick: You need that. Everybody needs that, not just you, but everybody needs that. And I, and I would go far as far as to say, and you, and maybe it didn’t happen to you Greg, but when you were, when you were going through your rough times and you were, when you were losing everything in front of you, you really figured out very, very quickly who your friends were and who you are. You know, people didn’t care about you, right? Because they probably just disappeared.
Greg Paul: Yeah. You have no idea. I mean, I just, I had this massive network of, of people in the neighborhood. I lived in Boulder and we had all these friends and at the minute this happened, they just, they walked away. I mean, it was amazing to me. People I’d known for 20 years that I’ve done business with, they’re just like, you know, I made them millions of dollars and they were my friends. We used to travel all over the places. One specific person. And he’s like, man, I just can’t talk to anymore. I was just like, Whoa, you know? Yeah. Well, I’m glad he’s still happy
Patrick: when your life that is helping you. And can you talk about your book? I know you’ve got a book out there. The truth about lies, um, you know, uh, it’s a book about pitching the truth, right? I mean, about telling the truth.
Greg Paul: That’s a truth about lies. How admitting nothing can cost you everything. And what the book does is it, it kind of breaks down different aspects of my story and things that happened to me. And however reflected upon it, the things that I learned, most importantly, it talks a lot about how my actions affected other people that I never considered. Um, another thing that judge said to me who, who’s, she’s now retired, but she’d said to me at my sentencing, she’s like, you know, at the time I had like, I don’t think 40 victims and she’s like, you’ve affected hundreds of people in this community and, and you know, at that time I’m like shaking my head like how you’re talking about like denying what you said, but you know, when you start talking about you affect one person, you end up affecting their family, their children because you’re causing stress on all these different people.
Greg Paul: And that’s what I think a lot of criminals don’t own and don’t understand. So that’s one thing I talk about in my book. I talk about the power of having a solid core group of friends. Like I talked about, um, you know, I call it my tribe, the four men that I can call upon for anything. And they will always try to help me and always give me a straight answer. And just the different lessons I learned about, um, you know, I began meditating immediately when I was in there. I put everything into a very solid routine up at 5:45 every day, meditate, pray, journal, go to work, exercise, write my book. I’m walking 20 laps around the facility. Um, go to bed, read, meditate, repeat every day was the same, which I think it’s something I’ve carried forward and a lot of successful people I’ve read about, they have that kind of routine and that’s why things don’t seem to bother me because I’m just so structured and I like it that way. It makes me feel better because I know that I’m trying to do things the right way.
Patrick: Well, what struck out about what you just said, I mean it’s all very compelling, but meditation. I started doing that a couple of years ago and I’m a huge fan of meditation and I tried to get up every day pretty early. Do what you do, Greg. I meditate, I journal, write down some goals and I try to work out every day or unfortunately sometimes it doesn’t happen all the time. But, um, now let’s talk about, you get podcasts out there. We’ve talked a little bit off the air and I think you got a great story, very compelling story, of hope and, you know, success. Tell us about your podcast because I listened to one of the episodes today and I thought it was really good.
Greg Paul: Oh, thanks. Oh yeah. It’s called pitching the truth. Um, I just randomly decided to start at one day and got it all fired up. I’ve had a few guests on there, but basically, we talk about the impacts of obviously being truthful. Um, I’ve a couple of different, various stories from outside people, um, people, people that I coached because I was a coach when I first got out for my friend’s company, kind of like a life coach reflecting upon my experiences and how I impacted a couple of them by forcing them to be honest at the time with their spouse. Yeah. And I’ve got a, I’ve got my ex Jujitsu instructor, Eliot Marshall. I’m from Eastern martial arts in Denver. I had to reach out to him, you know, and kind of, you know, because a couple of people that were at the academy were affected by my crimes and asked him to come back and start training again, which I did about a month ago and he was a powerful interview with him as well because, you know, it was two guys that spent a lot of time together and all the things, everything blew up and then Kinda came back.
Greg Paul: So, you know, we talked a lot about men’s depression, different issues like that. So I thought a lot of different subjects and trying to mix it all up and uh, get some more stuff done. But I think it’s, uh, it’s important to share experiences, especially between, you know, I honestly think that as a man without being able to communicate how screwed I was because I was too scared and too proud and too, uh, you know, too much. Like, I don’t need anybody to help me, I can do this.
Patrick: It’s a sign of weakness, right. With most men. I mean, most vendors don’t need help. You know, I’m a guy.
Greg Paul: No, I don’t have to tell them about the dog to take care of myself. Right. And if I, I think that message of showing men that they can, you know, they have to, you have to reach, it’s more of a strength to have a community in an own your mistakes than it is to, to try to hide them because in the end, as we know, the truth always comes out and sometimes the repercussions are higher than others. And one of the examples of high repercussions
Patrick: you’ve been through hell and back with what you’ve been going through. And again, you did it to yourself, but if you could change anything if you could do it all over again, would you change anything? I mean, obviously, you’re in a better place now.
Greg Paul: Yeah, I would’ve, I would’ve, yeah, this is a tough one because I, I made a lot of decisions based on other people’s wants and desires and uh, I’m not here to point the finger at anybody, but if I had to go back into it again, I would have right after 2008. Um, when I didn’t sell anything for like 60 days, I spoke to a, a really good friend of my father’s who just recently passed away who runs. He was running hospitals and are non-nonprofit, older hospitals all over the world, and I spoke to him on the phone. I thought he was going to try to help bail me out financially because that’s really what I was hoping for. Right? And He, his words were, I want you to go downstairs. I want you to fire everybody. I want you to lock your door. Once you put a sign on it that you’re closed and tomorrow I want you to fall back. See Him. And he’s like, live to fight another day. He goes because you’re never going to win. You’ve got a family, you’ve got a wife. You need to protect them. You need to protect yourself. And I didn’t listen. I didn’t listen. And he was right and eventually caught up with me. Yeah.
Patrick: Well, Greg, thank you so much for coming on the show. Amazing story. We’re going to have your book, your website. Oh, really quick. I want you to talk about your website and your business out there. Veracity, uh, can you, can you give a cue a couple of moments and talk about that?
Greg Paul: Sure. It’s www.veracitygp.com. Greg Paul. It’s my middle name and you know, I’m a public speaker. I’m trying to get back going. I’m going to be speaking at the clinical psychology forensic psychology department. They’re doing a lot of work down there with a criminal psychology and trying to help people when they are released from halfway houses, how to get them back into society and not have them resent. So I’m gonna be speaking to two of their different classes, um, this hopefully this next winter semester. And as I say, my book is on there, the truth about lies and my podcast as well. And that’s Kinda what I do. I should do a little bit of coaching, but I haven’t been doing much of that lately because I’ve been trying to focus on the other things at the moment.
Patrick: Greg, man, you’re in the minority man. I really appreciate you coming on the show. And I what I mean by in the minorities, you’re one of those rare individuals out there, and I’m sure you’ve heard this before we talked about it, it actually has taken responsibility for some of the actions that you’ve, you’ve done throughout your life and, and, and again, that’s an admirable trait man, because me being a cop or a long time, you hardly ever see that.
Greg Paul: Well, I’m, I’m hopeful that I can convince other people to do that before they commit a crime. That’s Kinda my goal. And uh, so.
Patrick: Well, Greg, we wish you much success in the future man. And like I said, uh, if you need any help with anything with your podcasting, you have my contact information, please reach out to me and I’ll help you.
Greg Paul: Okay. Well, I appreciate that very much. All right, great. Take care. Thanks.
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